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what the administration is going to do is one of two things. insist any fiscal cliff deal includes a raising of the debt ceiling or they're going to say, we want the power to raise the debt ceiling. you know, i think that might actually end up being a big sticking point of the negotiation. >> understandably they see it as the biggest point of leverage. >> it also seems to me the tone is moving in the wrong direction. after the -- right after the election, there was a little bit of recrimination, a little like well, boehner sounded getting squishy and what's happened over the succession of weeks since then, as he's meeting with the caucus, there's a hardening. in terms of -- >> or a disbelief -- a disbelief -- >> comes out and says stuff like that, you read some of the local papers, these people rshs it. >> are telling their local paper we're in a bad negotiation position here. >> the problem is, had he's probably a guy that's going to -- boehner will still be dealing with after january 3rd. in the lame duck congress it's still the same congress and boehner still has to message to t
, to deficit reduction and dealing with the fiscal cliff, we're talking about fairness. we're talking about making sure that if you work hard and play by the rules everyone has a chance to succeed. that the middle class needs certainly tight right now. speaker pelosi and my colleague congressman tim walls, filed a discharge petition today to take the bill that we have, that has already passed the senate, that grants certainty to the middle class, to take that bill up and make sure that we can extend the middle class tax breaks before the holidays where we can give -- that's what everyone agrees on. i don't know any republican or democrat that thinks we should let those tax rates -- tax cuts for the middle class expire. so we should pass that now. and then on the things that we're having more trouble agreeing on, we should sit down at the table. the one thing i can assure you, the president and democrats in congress, have consistently said, we're not going to do this -- there is no my way or the highway. we have concrete proposals and compromise on the table, thus far, though, we have republ
with three simple bullet points. that's the entire proposal to deal with the fiscal cliff and starts out with the sentence that's remarkable, tamron. first sentence is because the election is a status quo, both sides have to compromise. they didn't see what happened. they just dismissed it as a status quo election and this is not just speaker boehner we eric cantor and paul ryan, kevin mccarthy. the entire house republican leadership signed on to the so-called fiscal cliff proposal letter. they're not serious about negotiating. i don't know the right wing and the tea party of who the republican party is nowadays but it's impossible to have a deal with one side refuses to compromise even after losing. they will not accept their own defeat. >> right. >> and that is the problem. >> a.b. let's play what congressman walter jones had to say on this boehner purge. i have the full screen of what he had to say when several members were removed as identified not being team players. he says, i was surprised but i won't sacrifice my integrity for anyone or any party. my integrity is what will get me
of the fiscal cliff offer that the gop offered yesterday, a lot of right wing interest groups, specifically americans for prosperity, said, quote, this spending reduction is too small. this plan leaves conservatives wanting. also interesting today mitch mccandle when asked about speaker boehner's proposal did not necessarily deflect it but did not embrace it wholeheartedly. sort of saying it's nice that came out of the house side. so there is a little bit of consternation amongst real conservatives about this plan because the $800 billion in revenue, they see that as a tax hike, but as we well know, that's the basement for any sort of compromise. those folks are pretty much going to have to come along. >> nbc's luke russert. thanks so much. >> take care. >> stay with us. the day's "top lines" are coming up. [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just finished a bowl of your new light chicken pot pie soup and it's so rich and creamy... is it really 100 calories? let me put you on webcan... ...lean roasted chicken... and a creamy broth mmm i can still see you. [ male announcer ] progresso. you go
at the beginning of the year, regardless of whether or not a deal is reached on the so-called fiscal cliff. stuart varney has got the bad news and it's in small print of the health care reform. >> it is. under obamacare. everybody is looking at the fiscal cliff, tax the rich more for the fiscal. okay. we've got that. but we are definitely going to tax the rich just a little bit more come january 1 to pay for obamacare, specifically taxes on capital gains, dividends going up to just a little bit more, just a little bit more on january 1, and also a little bit more on income of those people making more than $200,000 a year. so we have defined rich down to $200,000 a year. it was a lot higher than that, but guaranteed january 1, a little bit more for obamacare. >> steve: when you say a little bit more, you mean like 3 or 4%, which adds up. >> it does. it's 3.8% extra as a capital gains tax. >> steve: that's a done deal. that's baked into the health care reform? >> that's it. there is no discussion about it. that was passed two years ago. this is going to happen. then you've got maybe a little bit mor
, to that dreaded fiscal cliff. here are today's "top lines." you cannot be serious. >> you think we'll get a deal by the end of the year? >> i do. >> flabbergasted. i looked at him and said you can't be serious. >> you cannot be serious! >> the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. >> bark like a dog. a big dog. >> would haof. >> he doesn't stamp his feet and get his way. >> i want to you get me one right away. >> every republican who has impure thoughts has to go back to the drawing board. >> you have to check your mirror. >> i would say we're nowhere. >> they're chasing us. >> i think we're going over the cliff. >> don't drive angry. >> we have already gone over the cliff. how hard are we going to thump down there at the bottom? >> there's no smooth transition from a ballet to led zeppelin. >> we need that extra push over the cliff. we do. >> some hotel rooms trashed, mayhem all around. so it's fitting we're doing this in a room where windows that are about 3 inches thick. >> when you win the presidency, you're walking around with your chest puffed out. >> they must
'll talk about that. >>> plus, at the end of the day this fiscal cliff debate will come down to two men. the speaker of the house and the president of the united states dealing one-on-one. we will go behind closed doors and into the war room. you are watching msnbc, the place for politics. can i help you? i heard you guys can ship ground for less than the ups store. that's right. i've learned the only way to get a holiday deal is to camp out. you know we've been open all night. is this a trick to get my spot? [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. save on ground shipping at fedex office. in that time there've been some good days. and some difficult ones. but, through it all, we've persevered, supporting some of the biggest ideas in modern history. so why should our anniversary matter to you? because for 200 years, we've been helping ideas move from ambition to achievement. and the next great idea could be yours. ♪ >>> we are watching a developing story in kansas city, missouri, right now. this is what police say appears to be a murder/suicide involving a 25-year-old nfl pla
a problem coming and they push it off. until it becomes a crisis like the fiscal cliff. by the way, earth to congressman rangel, its is a fiscal cliff. this is a cliff. not a slope. so my point is, simply, they are simply saying what they are doing that they have to do. secondly, if you see the costs coming, you have one of two choices, you either cut your costs or you raise your prices. they will figure out what combinations and do an analysis and the price increase is passed on to the consumer. a last point, business has been saying this before obamacare was passed, after it was passed and leading up to the election. now, some of the riders do not do a good job of saying what the companies are saying and i don't think that the c.e.o. of garden is blaming all of obamacare if you read the article and look at the information he is simply saying it is a factor because they anticipate how they will deal with the impact of obamacare. >>eric: and the media coverage is and will hurt their business going forward. take a listen to president obama today, but, also, keep that in mind when we roll a
. so the question is is the president serious about avoiding the fiscal cliff. we know pain in this country is bad on the economy. it would only broad and deep fn we hit a double dip recession. is the president serious about avoiding that cliff and if not, why not. i think some people are wondering -- megyn: do you think it is a matter of principle for the president? chris fire walt cam -- chris stt with a piece to say it's an ideological commitment on the part of the president to make the rich pay more and to give others more. for him it's an ideological mission to take the money from high income and give to it people who don't have as much. >> i agree with chris he said that. that's what he wants to do. but the curious part to me is you had quite a few lawmakers on the republican side of the isle start t --side of the aisle stao crack. they are willing to come to table and play ball. but the president is on the campaign trail and upping the states with totally ludicrous suggestions and plans like the one if you can call it that, the one he put out last week which is totall
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